Friday, June 18, 2010

Mythbusting: Mandela Attacks Israel

One of the less known copy-and-paste bombs used by anti-Zionists is a quote by Nelson Mandela in which the South African patriarch rips Israel a new one. Here is one example of it being used (in long form) by relatively moderate anti-Zionist and occasional troll "Tony Andrews:"



Though most people usually only copy the third paragraph. Anyway, it looks like a pretty damning analysis of Israel's actions, doesn't it? One little problem: It isn't true!

That's right, the entire thing was made up by a "journalist" (aka professional liar) named Arjan El Fassad. When people inquired about it, he responded, “There is no possible basis for Pollak to say I intended people to believe the memo was written by anyone other than myself.” And yet here the AZs are, shilling it as real.


Andrews, if you are trolling now and have read this, basic decency requires that you never use it again. To others who have read this and see anti-Zionists continue to use it on the HP, bring the hammer down. 

6 comments:

  1. Thankyou for drawing my mistake to my attention. I will, obviously, not be repeating it, and, if I find the time, will put an addendum to that quote on HP acknowledging the error.

    There is no doubt, however, that Mandella has great sympathy with the Palestinian cause.

    From Arjan El Fassad's site:

    "What Nelson Mandela indeed has said

    "It is completely wrong that the United States must be the mediator in this conflict. Everybody knows the United States is a friend of Israel."

    "As far as we are concerned what is being done to the Palestinians is a matter of grave concern. We are the friends of Yasser Arafat. We are the friends of the Palestinians. We support their struggle" (Reuters, 1 June 2001, Mandela, speaking at a news conference after talks with French Prime Minister Lionel Jospin).

    "Israel should withdraw from the areas which it won from the Arabs -- the Golan Heights, south Lebanon and the West Bank -- that is the price of peace" (Dispatch, 20 October 1999)

    "Our men and women with vision choose peace rather than confrontation, except in cases where we cannot get, where we cannot proceed, where we cannot move forward. Then, if the only alternative is violence, we will use violence" (Associated Press , 20 October 1999)

    "The histories of our two peoples, Palestinian and South African, correspond in such painful and poignant ways, that I intensely feel myself being at home amongst compatriots" (Associated Press , 20 October 1999)

    "The long-standing fraternal bonds between our two liberation movements are now translating into the relations between two governments" (Associated Press, 20 October 1999)

    Address by President Nelson Mandela at the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People, Pretoria, 4 December 1997"

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  2. Mandela wasn't and isn't pro-Israel. But the anti-Zios need no reason not to use a forged comment from him to blacken Israel's good name. They're convinced people will accept it as the gospel truth.

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  3. Mr. Andrews:

    No one's disputing that Nelson Mandela is sympathetic to Palestinians and seeks ME peace. That's changing the subject from what this post is about: a second-rate "journalist" fabricating a statement about Mandela because what Mandela really said about I/P isn't adequate to his purposes. I guess it's nice, however, that you sort of recognize that being anti-Zionist, just like being pro-Israel or neutral, ALSO doesn't mean you can lie whenever you want to and cry about it when the truth comes out. Most people of your sympathies don't concur with that.

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  4. Ben,

    Utterly false accusation, since I did not lie but was mistaken, and you know, since you keep such a close eye on things, that I have withdrawn and apologised for that post.

    I really do not know what on earth you might mean in your last sentence. It is incomprehensible.

    I gave a connect to a "quote" which you have shown me is incorrect. I have posted addendums to demonstrate that.

    So where have I "lied"?

    Where am I "crying"?

    But I do note that you are incapable of being honest on HP, even in messages that you send to it, in identifying yourselves and telling them that you are targetting that site alone, and its posters, in your blog.

    When, if ever, are you going to be as honest as you want others to be?

    Are you going to send another missive to HP, as your recent one about recently changed policy, that tells the truth about your "interests"?

    I try to be honest, and am sometimes mistaken.

    When I am mistaken I acknowledge it.

    It might be good if you were as capable, but I suspect that you are not.

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  5. Ben,

    I am obliged to comment again.

    Knowing, as I do, that you keep a daily watch (even on the Sabbath) on HP, I know that you are aware of my retractions for that mistake.

    Why have you failed to acknowledge it in this thread?

    I look at your site on a very regular basis but, despite your belief, this is the first time that I have posted on it, and only then because you drew my attention to that mistake and I needed to do something to attempt to rectify it, which I have done.

    You look for certain standards.

    Why do you not apply those same standards to yourself?

    What strikes me most about your contemptible site is its arrant determined hypocrisy and the profundity of that hypocrisy.

    Where, for example, is your honesty in communicating with HP - which I have brought up right now because you levelled an incorrect accusation at me?

    You are dishonest, at base, and really should take a very close look at yourelf.

    But you will come up with some nonsensical response, if any, about not communicating with what you self-define as "trolls".

    Incidentally, is Norman F yet another of your multiple identities?

    And you have the neck to judge others!

    I do not doubt, for one moment, that you think of yourself as battling against some kind of assault from both HP and the people who leave comments on it. The reality is that you are a dishonest, disingenuous, and deceitful fool(as in a jester or clown), and you, seriously, do not do Israel any favours, even though it may (or may not) give you support.

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