I know that it is a few days old but I thought I would take look at Sara Reef's article "Where Are the Moderate Jewish Voices?" The article has it's own problems of course, for instance I think that moderate Jews are very active in the discourse surrounding the Israeli/Arab issue. But my view of what is moderate may not be the same as everyone else's view of what is moderate. What we have to come, though are comments that are clearly not moderate.
The thread has about 380 comments and is fully moderated.
Israeli forces, and all who abet them, act like the enemy that once killed them -- just because they wanted to.
Of course, Palsestinians should not have a voice; they are not CHOSEN.
In Israel, does "kinsfolk" include non-Jews?
but that is only because they have the upper hand. In effect Zionism flew the airplane that is Israel into the building that is Palestine 60 years ago already, killing thousands upon thousands and destituting millions. The fact that extremist Jews can do so much as they do when their armies already have the upper hand and terrorize the Palestinians on a daily basis for over 60 years just gives an inkling of what they would be capable of if the shoe were on the other foot.
Do you consider the Iraq War and its thousands and thousands of victims and displaced? Do you have courage to check who the real instigators of the Iraq War were? Have you heard of Perle, Fief, Wolfowitz, Kristol? People who put Israel first and the US’ blood and treasure distant third?
For too long Israel and its many settlers from Eastern Europe have been promoting the apartheid and ethnic cleansing. A true face of Israel is Avigdor Lieberman, a former Soviet thug and open racist.
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Well put. You have mentioned what must never be said if we want the illusion of being the eternal victim.
Thank you for posting what I've often grown tired of posting but find like others here it is important to speak up. The more new blood like you the better it is as we can all share the load. You are fanned.
The right wing fringe of Judaism is far more than 1%. It is being fostered by US Zionists who have turned orthodox Jewish women into brood mares in an attempt to populate Israel with Jewish citiznes. Of course, the fathers of these children are all rabbinical students who need to do nothing but have sex once or twice a month (think of this as "Mother's Day") in return for federal funds.
As long as Arabs refuse to lay down their arms and promise no retaliation, they have a good chance of regaining their property or, at least, retaining what they have. If Israelis lay down their arms, they can always return to Russia, New Jersey, Brooklyn, and the other areas that they came from. I am sure that all of them have dual citizenship.
[In response to an anti-Arab post] Noticed how loud the settlers screech?
Voices like GZLives far out yell any moderate on any side. Add to that the fact the Israel's Foreign Ministry pays people to comment on blogs just like this and it makes it hard to even tell who really gives a damn, and who is just on a payroll with an agenda.
Israel has not yet left Gaza, under the Gaza Disengagement Plan Israel keeps complete control, the Gaza Strip is the modern equivalent to the Warsaw Ghetto, and no amount of dissembling or bluffing it out by you in a talkback is going to change this fact.
I wonder if the extremist "settler groups" who are engaging in this kind of violence understand the terrible significance of spraying painting stars of David on walls of mosques. Similar vandalism against Jews was how the Holocaust started in Nazi Germany.
Finally, a sensible adult voice from the Jewish community over the Zionist overreach. I'd been dismayed at the increasingly extremist noise coming from the Israeli right-wingers and their paid journalistic whores. Please bring some sense to these idiots!
One of the reasons that moderate Muslim are not heard is because the western press is owned by persons not interested in such views! we are told it is anti- Semitic to say that the press and media is owned by Jews but is this not true ?
I personally have always found Jewish people to be hard working and very liberal in their views but i have always been struck by the Primitive tribal view of many at the same time.How can a just God favor one desert tribe over the rest of humanity and support the pillage and murder as described in the Old testament Bible ?
Is it not a hallmark of civilization to see all men as equal and brothers ? Is not Tribalism a primitive throwback to a time when mankind was ruled by the reptilian brain?
So, we are agreed that Israel is a useless ally.
It does not matter whether Israel is willing but cannot or is unwilling and cannot. No matter what, we give money and shed blood for an "ally" that is of no use.
That seems like a real straight forward case of useless.
The murder of children is indeed uncalled for. But I would reserve the word "horrific" for the children slaughtered in Gaza by the Israelis.
And you think you are a moderate Jewish voice? If Rachel Corrie caused her own death then Jews caused their own death in Germany and deserved what what they got. Do you see how evil you sound? There is no such thing as a moderate Zionist Jew. Zionism itself is an extremist, racist concept, just as Nazism was. There is no difference. It is like calling Hitler a moderate.