Sunday, May 23, 2010

HPW: Rabbi Schwarz's "Israel Wrestling"

Last week Rabbi Sid Schwarz wrote an article about what it means to support Israel, yet disagree with it at the same time. For the Huffington Post, it was pretty moderate, and in turn set off many discussions among the talkbackers. Sometimes it got out of line. The article itself is quite interesting, I suggest you read it.

The thread has about 760 comments at the time I write this, and is fully moderated.


The USS Liberty attack during the 1967 war should have been warning to the U.S. about the true intentions of Israel

you forgot Richard Nixon . . . in this saga of giving to israel . . . but wow you sure are aipac . . . how do you rationalise israel's violations of international law and its human rights offences . . and the fact that it is a foreign country whose agents the aipac our undermining our foreign policy in the Middle East ..

I'm with you. This all smacks of the denial of the universality of man. Zionism is none other than racism wearing a yarmulke. I feel so chosen having said that, I think I'll go out and raise money for the Palestinian victims of Israel's war crimes, war crimes that amount to the irony of Ashkenazi ironies and renders any antecedent causes they may have used as an excuse for their perennial victemstance in justifying their imperialist aggression against the native population of the "holy land" as "karmaic blowback" -- generation after generation, endless cycles of division and conflict, victimstance and perpetration, locked in the ninth level of Dante's Infernos as traitors for having betrayed their own humanity. Talk about your toevan. These colonialist invaders make toe jam look kosher.
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Zionism is none other than racism wearing a yarmulke.
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I'll have to borrow that one.
Fanned.

Driven by what they regarded as God's promise, they crossed the river Jordan and laid waste to Jericho. , "The army advanced on the city, every man straight ahead, and took it. Under the ban they destroyed everything in the city; they put everyone to the sword, men and women, young and old, and also cattle, sheep, and asses."
In the aftermath, the Bible informs us, God tells Joshua, "I deliver the king of Ai into your hands, him and his people, his city and his country. Deal with Ai and her king as you dealt with Jericho and her king." And so he does. "The number who were killed that day, men and women, was twelve thousand, the whole population of Ai."
Those who stood in their way "were annihilated without mercy and utterly destroyed, as the Lord had commanded Moses."
[what’s the point of this quote?]

A political system that discriminates people based on race or religion is never a democracy. Democracy is for all or for none, it cannot be for some. lsrael is not a democracy.

1948 PaIestine beIongs to the PaIestinians. The BaIfour declaration was illegal, and the British had no right to give any part of PaIestine to other people. JerusaIem belongs to PaIestine

Furthermore, before this illegal state was put into place, the Jewish and Palestinian people lived in peace amongst each other and worshiped the same God at the same temple mount. The Palestinians are not Pagans, nor enemies of the Jewish people but believers in God.
God is against the current prideful, abusive state of Isreal and will not allow it to go on like this.
For further revelations on this read Ezekiel 36:15-23.

I think the Muslims were quite fine. It's extremist in any religion which are the problem.
AIPAC/JDL/SLPC et al are more trouble within Western nations then any extremist group.
[The JDL is “more trouble” than the people who caused 9/11]

For all the recognition you give to the Jewish groups, you seem a little light on the rights for others, except when it favors the Jews. If any group were to try this in the states, we'd accurately label it racist. I see no difference because the Jews like their cause best. Why should we be forced to support this racist belief sytem and nation of bigots and terrorists.

In my opinion there is a Holocoust (killing of innocents) already happening there to the Palenstein people their land is taken every day and their children are killed in the name of the Lord. If the Isrealie people want to live in peace then I think that they should ask themselves "Has the oppressed become the oppressor"?

Two prophetic quotations:
(1) In a letter he sent in 1902 to Herzl, the founder of the Zionist movement, Lord Rothschild explained why he could not support a Jewish state in Palestine. He wrote that he “should view with horror the establishment of a Jewish colony pure and simple; such a colony would be Imperium Imperio; it would be a Ghetto with the prejudice of the Ghetto; it would be a small petty Jewish state, orthodox and illiberal, excluding the Gentile and the Christian.”
(2) In 1944, Lessing J. Rosenwald, president of the American Council for Judaism, expressed himself as follows: "The concept of a racial state - the Hitlerian concept- is repugnant to the civilized world, as witness the fearful global war in which we are involved. . . , I urge that we do nothing to set us back on the road to the past. To project at this time the creation of a Jewish state or commonwealth is to launch a singular innovation in world affairs which might well have incalculable consequences."

That why both Muslims and Christians were barred from Jerusalem during the December holidays?
[a bold-faced lie]

"Isn't a Zionist one who believes the Jewish people have a right to their historical homeland?"
To be more correct, a Zionist is one who believes the Jewish people have a right to other people's homeland, and that to get that homeland ethnic cleansing and mass murder are appropriate. America has rejected ethnic cleansing in Kosovo and other parts of the former Yugoslavia, and we should also reject the ethnic cleansing of Zionism.

Please remove the photo of that NeoSwastika flag.[the flag of Israel bearing the Star of David]
Disgusting

Rahm and many other dual country citizens pledge allegiance to more than just the US.

The "Uber Alless" principle of Judaism or more properly Zionism is simply displayed in this article "We, his descendants," and the use of God to blatantly discriminate against others. When reading the article I feel the level of discrimination as if 'the chosen people' were superior than the rest of the world. The concept of God in this article is simply absurd as god is being minimized in human form, made imperfect, and selective. Those are not the characteristic of God.
The issue is that he claims that there is a fracture in education that he is addressing as if 'the students' require to be exposed or educated to assess the concept of Israel. This is a pure fallacy, propaganda and a form of self exaltation and superiority.
The overall article is simple repugnant as it continuous to imply that "Religion Conveys a Title of Property."

the only thing Israel has to work out with the Palestinian state consisting of Wst Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem is (1) the evacuation of settlements and (2) security arrangements for both countries.
The last thing Israelis or Palestinians need is input from outsiders like you who speak in the pathetic patois of propaganda.

Sid, you do great work but your straddling between two worlds makes no sense. On the one hand is AIPAC -- whose policies, if followed -- will lead to Israel's destruction. On the other is the peace camp, trying to save Israel by pushing for reconciliation with the Palestinians.
You need to choose and that means joining up with those of us who believe AIPAC is no friend of Israel or the Jewish people.
Remember what Danyt said about neutrality! AIPAC is a disaster and you know it!
Best
MJ
[sigh….]


Anbreen
They govern themselves JUST fine in California, NY, and FL! As much self-determination as anyone. 
They are free, safe, productive, and respected. Safer than in Israel, point of fact. 
That's why emigration to Israel has dropped like a rock.

1 comment:

  1. The hatred of the Jews pours forth like its the most normal thing in the world. Bigotry against any other people would never be tolerated. Bashing Israel and the Jews is just another ordinary day at the HP.

    And we supposedly live in an "enlightened" century! Go figure.

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