Sunday, May 9, 2010

HPW: Israel Ready For Deal on Palestinian State

The Huffington Post picked up Israeli President Shimon Peres' recent comments, in which he stated Israel's intent to discuss Palestinian statehood. This is an unusual statement from a right-wing government, but not from Israel in general. As we all know, there have been several Israeli offers of Palestinian statehood in the past, which have all been rejected.

This article generated a lot of comment activity. Most of the HPers didn't believe Peres, calling him a "liar" and stating that Israel has no intention of peace. Many were quite negative about the likelihood of peace talks succeeding, which is understandable. However, many of the comments began crossing the line, into statements calling for Israel's destruction, revisionist history, off topic anti-Israel spam, and anti-Semitism disguised as anti-Zionism. There are a lot of posts below, read on for them.

What we're going to see will be no different than the last decade. Israel will continue their illegal annexation of land and expulsion of non-Jews, while attempting to negotiate 'security' concerns--the only thing that means is that the IDF will remain in parts of the West Bank.

That's not a peace offer, that's a transfer of the responsibility of the occupation. The occupation will remain, the wall that separates families and children from schools and hospitals will not be torn down, and the degradation of human life will continue.

I think it's time extremist zionists end their racist expansionist ideology and build a real democracy b/w the Jordan river and the Med. sea. What god wouldn't want that?

Israel's popularity has never been this low in Europe and US because of 2008 attack on defenseless children and women of Gaza!

In every single turn Israel is there to cause problem for US.

For example right now 180 countries gather in NY for NNPT confrence for nuclear arm disarmament. The only reason US cannot take the lead for nuclear arm free ME in this confrence and should stand against 120 countries which are in favor of a nuclear free ME, is the nukes owned by Israel.

No matter what issue Obama tries to address, Israel will pop up as the problem regime in ME!

Moral equivalencies don't work...
Israel has to get rid of its NEOCONS.
Playing the VICTIM doesn't work anymore.

Cliche jargon it might be... that doesn't mitigate the fact.

The "enlightened nations" I speak of are the ones that do NOT create ghettos & deliberately starve women & children.
The "enlightened nations" I speak of are the ones that do NOT recreate what their OWN TORMENTORS had perpetrated on THEM on other, weaker peoples.
The "enlightened nations" I speak of are the ones that do NOT the ones that elect a bunch of messianic FANATICS who claim their "cause" as being divinely affected.

Read my 4-part post below & see where I am coming from.. & why YOUR mindset is holding things back.

If the Palestinians weren't there, the Zionists would not have had to chase them out at gunpoint.
BTW, you ask "When,for even one day, did a Palestinian "entity" ever control any of that land" - I'd answer that the people who have controlled that land for most of it's history were the Muslims (Romans ran it for a good while too). The "people" who have lived there have been mostly Jewish, Christian and Muslim - right? Muslims running things most of the time - seems to me the Palestinians have a far stronger claim to that land than European and American Zionists who have no historical tie to Palestine/Israel at all.

No Israel-haters here! No Jew-haters here either. Just people who want to see justice done and a historical wrong righted. In other words, the land partitioned to Jews in 1947 (which was MORE THAN 50% of Palestine, - and the most arable at that!) is all they get. And it was partitioned to JEWS, Not ISRAEL, which came later. Unless All of the land stolen is returned,then there will be continued struggle, and it WILL end in a nuclear exchange, probably betwen Iran and Israel, but Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Syria all have the science and resources to develop nuclear weapons should they choose to do so. Israel is making a very dangerous world for itself!

Mystery Disease Linked to Missing Israeli Scientist
[off topic anti-Israel conspiracy theory]

And so goes the masquerade of Israelis pretending they are in any way intersted in anything but one Jewish State. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail
." – Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994.

Why should the Palestinians have EVER gone along with giving up land they lived on just so European and American Zionists could take over?
The problem is the Zionists - there is no rational for a "Jewish State" to be in Palestine. Even the Israelis must know their "homeland" was a mistake by now.

Maybe its what Israel does and says and not what it pretends to be? "[There is] a biblical ban on surrendering a single millimeter of it [the Land of Israel] to gentiles, though all sorts of impure distortions and foolishness of autonomy, enclaves and other national weaknesses. We will not abandon it to the hands of another nation, not a finger, not a nail of it." This is an excerpt from a publication entitled "Daily Torah studies for the soldier and the commander in Operation Cast Lead," issued by the IDF rabbinate. The text is from "Books of Rabbi Shlomo Aviner," who heads the Ateret Cohanim yeshiva in the Muslim quarter of the Old City in Jerusalem.

"The comments on this article show the true nature of many posters...
namely a prejudice against all Israelis "

As usual, when Israel is justly criticized, somebody pulls out the race card.

Put it back in the deck baby, your credit as run out.

"Arab States negotiating must recognize Israels right to exist"

Why would any people say "it was RIGHT that our homes were taken at gunpoint"? Would you?

"there will not be now, and there will never be a "right of return" for Palestinians"

So basically Israel has to get everything they want just to sit at the negotiating table? Do you understand what "negotiate" means?
Attitudes like yours are why, in 500 years, there will still be a France, Iran and Egypt, but nobody will remember that Israel was ever a country.
You have described the Zionists tactics that has been used for decades. Zionists have never been interested in peace because they don't know how to live peacefully with others. The racist laws in Israel against the indigenous population is for the whole world to see. Israel can either lie and try to deceit to keep the status quo or join the world and stop their hatred and racism toward others. BTW! I have just spoken to the Bearded Man who lives in the skies, the one who promised Palestine to you, he just confided to me that the land was not his to give nor promise.

Convert to what???? To Zionism? Palestinians are good natured people, they have lived in that land without any problems with Jews. But, As soon as East Europeans so called"Jewish" moved in, the real truth of the intentions of Zionism came out, wars & Mayhem. Zionists can not go on deceiving the world and lying to us while killing innocent children and old people.

All of us who value justice in the Middle East stand with Rachel Corrie, an American member of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM) who was killed by a bulldozer operated by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) while attempting to prevent IDF forces from demolishing the home of local Palestinian pharmacist Samir Nasrallah. According to the New York Times, Corrie and others were acting as "human shields." A student at the Evergreen State College, she had taken a year off and traveled to the Gaza Strip during the Second Intifada.[
1] (Wikipedia). God be with Rachel and all those who stand for justice. It's time to put a Palestinian state and peace ahead of selfish settlements designed to thwart any real progress.

The real history!! Not the one invented by Zionists.

Israel is ready for deal? Then STOP BUILDING illegal settlements on STOLEN land. Stop STARVING PEOPLE in Gaza, and STOP MURDERING innocent Palestinian women and children. These things must be done. Israel is a rogue nation.

Get out of the occupied territories Israel, your playing the victim card has outlived it's usefullness. You want peace? Go back to the pre 1967 borders and stop terrorizing your neighbors. It's really just about as simple as that.
[click for context. Very enlightening]

A home for the Madoff's is being built in Hebron.

What a farce.
This is how they get away with occupying the land they steal.
This is how they will defy the UN that foolishly created them.
The dance continues. Now the USA will give them billions more in borrowed money or perhaps
the entire space program, to go along with the secret navy communication codes they stole.
Clinton is an international joke except it isn't funny.
Of course the American people have no say in foreign aid or policy.
Look at who have been the puppet masters of US foreign policy since Vietnam.
The key figures in the State Dept, most of the major players who trancend all Presidential administrations are dual citizens, Israelis.

All the while, the stupid Amerian public worries about hard working Latinos putting their kid in a public school or getting first aid at hospitals. People who would glady denounce their homeland and swear allegience to become a citizen of the US. People who have served in our wars as fighting soldiers, unlike the propagandists on Fox news and hate radio. unlike Sen Brown or Liberman who are even willing to create State less Americans.
Even leading pliticians have been caught keeping a latino slave or two as housekeepe
rs,nannies,or landscapers.

Grow up! Israel is the oppressor and evil in this equation. The world is waking up and your faith will be the same as South Africa.

Israel's policies are racists and EVIL. BTW! The whole world can see the truth. You can't fool people all the time.

You're joking, right? Can't you see this is merely more of the same: ongoing settlement expansion coupled with irrational demands to keep a military presence on parts of Palestinian land?

Israel ceasing to exist in it's present form is a good thing. It doesn't mean the people will cease to exist..... simply means a new state with liberty and justice for all should emerge from the current zionist racist regime that is now in power.

Most people blame both sides equally when they are too afraid to criticize the real aggressor - Israel.

Zionism ideology is Racist and needs to be called just that. Zionism is and will always be a racist and an inherent superiority of a Jewish race over any other human being. Israel makes South Africa looks like the pope.

Zionism has nothing to do with self-determination, by that case Palestinians are also Zionists. Zionism is racisms, at that comes from a Druze

No! You should know that Israel and lies are very synonymous and have the same connotations.

How benevolent of you Oh Israel. Do you still live under the tragically flawed lie that you are god's chosen people?

I mean Israel has committed crimes against the Palestinians in the Millions. The body count is immeasurable.

Maybe he means the Palestine where Jews lived peacefully Muslims and Christians for centuries till the trouble making Zionists showed up.

There is and there will be. Israel was created through ethnic cleansing, but history will correct that mistake.

You started the name-calling. Israel has not been called an apartheid state. The occupied territories are obviously apartheid and if annexed will then make Israel an apartheid state.

What I'm NOT forgetting is that the European immigrants bulldozed over 400 Palestinian villages, bulldozed 24,000 houses, drove 80% of the indigenous population out of their country to steal their lands, stole the three main aquifers under Palestinian lands, and hold up Palestinian crops until they rot. And, thus cannot be marketed.
Israel is also trying to steal the Litani River waters. That river is in Lebanon.
Whenever a native population is abuses by colonists, there WILL be resistance. Period.

1 comment:

  1. Its all the Jews' fault. Jewish niceness towards anti-Semites will NEVER change the way they view the Jews. The stupid Shimon Pereses of the world just can't get it through their thick heads that nothing Israel does will lead Israel to be more loved by the world.