Sunday, February 14, 2010

HuffPoWatch: Israeli Soldier Stabbed To Death

Matt commented on this news story and it took a little while for the comments to arrive at a point where I wanted to write a blog post on the article. Like most of the Huffington Post news stories in which it is the Palestinians who do something wrong and not Israel, there was not much in the way of anti-Semitism or abusive comments on this thread, but there was a lot of blaming Israel for the violence inflicted on its people.

So let me say that again: The following comments are collected because they provide examples of the way some HPers blame Israel for everything, even when Israelis are the victims of violence. These are not anti-Semitic, though some might cross the line past legitimate criticism of Israel.

The most important quotation in the article is "Netanyahu's policies were again 'costing us in blood' ".

Many are missing the point here which is,
'when an Israeli gets killed by Palestinians, it's an outrage' even if the Israeli is a combatant perpetrating
an illegal occupation.' When a Palestinian civilian, or whole families of them get killed while setting in their homes, the Israelis and their supporters cheer the 'righteous retribution.' Even when the IDF admitted the use of white phosphorus.

Billy Hell
The invasion, occupation and theft of land in Palestine is illegal period. The Israeli military has NO right to be there.
If you find the occupation legal you are deluded.

Lets keep things in perspective.
"What hangs in the balance is whether Palestinians will be eliminated as a people"

you are basically advocating voluntary ethnic cleansing. The Palestinians have a right to live in their own country free of the thugs of the IDF and settler movement abusing them.
This article more than any other I have seen perfectly describes the character and intention of Zionism. It begins with this injustice:
"If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for that land,… . Or else? Or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempt to destroy or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible. Zionism is a colonization adventure and there fore it stands or it falls by the question of armed force. It is important to speak Hebrew but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot – or else I am through with playing at colonization."
and ends with this one...:
"the reality on the ground is that Israel has expanded beyond the point of retreat with 300,000 settlers in the West Bank, 183,000 in East Jerusalem, as of this writing, with 200 or more settlements in the West Bank some twice the size of Manhattan containing their own, schools, universities, shopping malls and the billions of dollars of invested infrastructure, both private and public, and a segregated, for-Jews-only, highway system, 300 miles long, cutting up the West Bank with Palestinians imprisoned between these disjoint concrete and asphalt barriers."
As I stated earlier: one injustice on top of another.
[This post more than any other exemplifies the anti-Zionist reaction to the article.]

Someone who commits a crime and gets away with it ends up constantly looking over his shoulder because he knows that justice in one form or another will catch up to him, and therefore he suspects EVERYONE of wanting to get him. [So this death was a form of "justice."]
When a country commits a crime against millions and gets away with it every person who enables that crime, whether he's enforcing oppression in a military uniform or building a house where once another man's home was forcibly demolished, knows that that injustice is causing others misery and because he understands that if HE were the victim of that crime and had no legal rights or recourse, he might be tempted to seek justice on his own through violence, he thereore suspects everyone and will do anything to protect himself from potential retaliation of all who are being victimized even to the point of depriving the victims against whom a crime was commited of their freedom, and their human and legal rights and even locking them behind a wall because he believes that sooner or later they might react as as he would in such a situation.
Nothing good will ever come from commiting a crime, depriving the victim of his legal rights, and locking him up, because God/Karma deliberately made paranoia the punishment for a guilty conscience. 

Did Palestinians steal land from Israel and demolish homes?
Injustice begets more injustice and sometimes worse.

I'm not and you didn't answer my question. Why do you refuse to acknowledge Israel committed a crime against humanity against the Palestinian people and continues to do so?

[In response to a post praising the Druze for their service in Israel.] Does that include the massacres at Shabra and Shattila?

Out of curiosity what ever happened to the investigation of the Mosque that was burned and painted in swastikas i never did hear about any arrests or convictions or punishments. If that had happened in a settler synagoge the nearest Palestinian village would have been buldozed or all of their olive trees uprooted or burned their crops flattened get the drift . Was the israeli settlement buldozed for provoking bloodshed or what [Off topic deflection.]

This comment gives a context for the decades of maltreatment that would drive a Palestinian to kill a member of the IDF. It was not a wise action, but it was an understandable action. The soldier was unfortunately a part of the oppressive occupation, but in his own way as much a victim of Israeli crimes as the Palestinians are.

Up to this moment there's been a de facto disproportion in death rates. How many Palestinians must die for every Israeli soldier killed on this day, February 10, 2010? How many Palestinian men, women and/or children will it take to make it right with Israel on this day?

Richard Pearce
So, a Palestinian kills an Israeli occupier, and it rates a headine, while the various cases of Israeli troops opening fire on peaceful protesters, the beatings, the mass arrests, the muzzling of the opposition press, and all the rest of it, does not. [Dehumanization anyone?]
I mean, shelling a government office, shooting at people trying to collect rubble (which, due to Israel refusing to allow any building materials into Gaza to fix all the houses, schools and hospitals they destroyed or damaged, even under the supervision of European nations, is a valuable resource and good source of cash for some of the multitude who have no jobs because they are under seige), shooting at fishing nets, then stealing them, surely somewhere in there someone could find something worth a headline (and that was just some of what happened last week)
[If you click on the link, you will see that his source for these tall tales is a Palestinian source which no longer exists. While it did exist, though, it provided a list of alleged "incidents" with nothing at all to back up their claims.]

alysheba 3
[Responding to "Are the Druze occupiers?"] As long as the Druze are serving in the IDF and contributing to the oppression of and war crimes against the Palestinians through collective punishment of civilians and the stealing of land then YES, they are occupiers.
When people suffer under military domination they react in horrible ways. Just one more reason to end the conflict.
A quote from the article: "Israel's Y-net news site said one of Khatib's sisters was killed in a rocket attack from Lebanon during the 2006 war and a brother, a soldier, was killed during an Israeli military operation in the West Bank a decade ago." [He mixed up the two. Khatib was the victim of the murder, not the perpetrator.]

I prefer non-violence, but after the decades of violence Palestinians have suffered at the hands of their Israeli oppressors, I am hardly going to criticize them for using violence to resist the occupation.

This is what happens when you continue an occupation for decades and commit countless crimes against humanity. Nobody likes you anymore, and all your criminal actions are condemned. The only answer for Israel is to end the occupation and withdraw with all the settlers from occupied Palestine. That are accept the inevitable and move directly to the single state solution.

Please respond appropriately, Israel, and vacate all of Palestine. This would not have happened if militants like the one who was killed in this incident were not on Palestinian soil.

Are you really that obtuse? That kind of disproportionate response is what motivated this man to kill in the first place. From the article:
"Israel's Y-net news site said one of Khatib's sisters was killed in a rocket attack from Lebanon during the 2006 war and a brother, a soldier, was killed during an Israeli military operation in the West Bank a decade ago." [Makes same mistake twice.]
Keep bombing Palestine and you will simply create new fighters. At a certain point you're going to have to end your bloodlust and look at the situation rationally.

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