After looking at all of his posts, it's clear Londoncall has drank the Palestinian kool-aid. He refuses to give Israel the benefit of the doubt in any situation (even when Israel was giving aid to Haiti), twists reality so that the Palestinians are always in the right, and is well versed in the Palestinian narrative of history. He also uses classic Palsbara tactics like accusing pro-Israel supporters of being paid posters as a way of shutting down dialogue and waving the bloody shirt of the number of Palestinian casualties from Cast Lead.
Anyway, on to the posts,
Londoncall
Member since January 2009, 7 fans, 244 posts
Palestinian Protesters Dress As 'Avatar' Characters (PHOTOS)
Talossa, your logic does not resemble our earth logic. Everybody who follows the region knows no such thing - the fact that many people on this forum alone disagree with you shows that statement is utter nonsense. Do you know how many Palestinians have been killed this week? How many children injured? Non-violent protestors attacked? How many refugeee camps raided and people rounded up and detained? Just out of interest, are you a Christian Zionist?
[click for context]
Palestinian Protesters Dress As 'Avatar' Characters (PHOTOS)
Very little support? Please, America gives Israel billions. And you are playing the hasbara handbook trick of portraying Israel as a passive victim, playing no part in the violence. The casualty figures show that this is utter nonsense.
Palestinian Protesters Dress As 'Avatar' Characters (PHOTOS)
My previous reply to this was moderated, so I'll try again. I was not supporting Hamas, I was pointing out that terrorism is a subjective description. As one Israel commentator said the other day in the Jerusalem Post, Israel can do whatever it like likes to the Palestinian and call it self-defence, but whatever Palestinians do to resist or fight back is called terrorism. Israel was of course born out of terrorism and millions of people today regard it as a terrorist state.
Israeli Soldier Stabbed To Death In West Bank
Garioch, I looked at the weekly news from Palestine and in fact the IDF have killed and injured a number of Palestinians this week, including young children, but that simply hasn't been reported internationally, presumably because it is so common it isn't news.
[I highly doubt this is true. Week of February 8-12, 2010]
Palestinian Protesters Dress As 'Avatar' Characters (PHOTOS)
Nym22, do you really believe nobody lived on the land where Tel Aviv was built?
[Um...yes]
Palestinian Protesters Dress As 'Avatar' Characters (PHOTOS)
Another facile post.
[insult]
Palestinian Protesters Dress As 'Avatar' Characters (PHOTOS)
You said on another post you lived among Palestinians. If that is true, you will know they are indeed occupied, and you cannot compare normal life in America to the conditions they are being forced to endure. As to civilised behaviour ... do you consider the horrific collective punishment inflicted on Gaza to be in any way civilised? [excusing Palestinian terror tactics] Your posts are facile.
Palestinian Protesters Dress As 'Avatar' Characters (PHOTOS)
Yes, I saw the Israeli soldiers tear gassing the protestors.
[click for context, it's a very revealing post]
Will $40 Million US Tax Dollars Subsidize UN Agency That Tolerates Teaching Martyrdom to Palestinian Kids?
Ebjornson, your arrogance is laughable. Once again, not even Heather Robinson's blog claims that UNWRA provides the textbooks - can't you read the headline? It appears the books are used in all Palestinian schools, including ones administered by Israeli authorities, so why is UNWRA being singled out? Your attack on UNWRA is also illogical. Considering the immense amount of work it does delivering humanitarian aid to the Palestinians (most people in Gaza rely on them for everyday food) why would school books be such an important issue you think it justifies defunding the NGO which has most experience of dealing with this humanitarian disaster? I also note that you, like the other commenters here, didn't take on board the fact that the source of these complaints is a Zionist organisation run by supporters of the extremist settler community [referring to Palestinian Media Watch. The fact that it is run by someone who lives in the West Bank obviously means it's an extremist and untrustworthy organization]
Will $40 Million US Tax Dollars Subsidize UN Agency That Tolerates Teaching Martyrdom to Palestinian Kids?
Some of these commenters have no shame. It seems to have slipped their minds that UNWRA has already been attacked, when its facilities were illegally bombed by white phosphorous. This was not the first time Israel had bombed UN facilities, but it is the first time Israel has been forced to pay 10 million dollars in compensation - a tacit admission of its wrongdoing. [Justifying UNRWA's teaching of martyrdom to Palestinian kids] It is clear from the comments here that this has led to it being attacked again, this time politically. Mr Gunness and his staff who work so hard in Gaza under impossible conditions imposed by Israel were eye witnesses to the massacre last year and Israel would doubtless prefer they were silenced. The commenters here would do better reading Bradley Burston's blog above and searching their consciences than joining forces with extremist setter movements and mounting trumped up attacks on the organisations (UNWRA is not the only one) trying to improve the lives of Palestinians.
Will $40 Million US Tax Dollars Subsidize UN Agency That Tolerates Teaching Martyrdom to Palestinian Kids?
It's something I've heard quite a few times,. EnMasse - it's part of the dehumanisation process to believe a group of people don't share normal human feelings. Funnily enough, I recently heard some white South Africans talk exactly the same way about their black neighbours. I think Ms Robinson's comments above further clarify her intentions in writing this blog.
[accusing Israel supporters of racism]
Rank Hypocrisy and Transparent Double Standards
Blimey, the whole world's anti-semitic! Where does Israel's history of terrorism fit into your interesting narrative?
Brilliant Video on Why Israel's Propaganda Efforts Fail
Yes, of course the Palestinians connive to have their children murdered just to make Israel look bad. That all makes perfect sense. Do you even know how lunatic you sound? [Denying Palestinian tactics to increase civilian casualties]The more Israel does what it does, and people like you say what you say, all the hasbara in the world isn't going to help your cause.. Which I believe is what Mr Sable is saying in the video.
Israel Coming Unhinged? A Loose Cannon in a Volatile Region
Here's where Robert Fisk predicts the coming war will be: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-the-treelined-bunkers-that-could-change-the-face-of-the-middle-east-1874228.html Israel has also threatened the people of Gaza with another attack, which is nothing short of a terror tactic since the people there can not escape or do anything to protect themselves.
[interesting definition of terror. Of course, to be a Palestinian supporters means you have to have an interesting definition of terrorism]
Will $40 Million US Tax Dollars Subsidize UN Agency That Tolerates Teaching Martyrdom to Palestinian Kids?
Skialetha, at least he is exposing the real agenda in this blog, which is an orchestrated attack on UNWRA (quite unconnected, of course, to the fact that Israel has just had to cough up ten million dollars for illegally bombing their facility.) Again, the books are issued by the PA and not by UNWRA - are people suggesting that UNWRA runs a separate educationial curriculum for refugee children? And how are they going to do that when books and educational materials are banned from entering Gaza? [they're not]
[This blog is about how UNRWA allows teaching martyrdom to Palestinian kids]
Will $40 Million US Tax Dollars Subsidize UN Agency That Tolerates Teaching Martyrdom to Palestinian Kids?
You are missing the point. Books are not the real subject of this article, and Clinton, a strong supporter of Israel, did not "flush out the truth".
[desperately trying to deflect attention away from Palestinian misdoings]Will $40 Million US Tax Dollars Subsidize UN Agency That Tolerates Teaching Martyrdom to Palestinian Kids?
lb, I had a quick look on the net and found Itamar Marcus, who she is quoting as some sort of neutral authority, apparently lives on an illegal settlement in the West Bank. and has been employed by Netanyahu. Judging by its site Palwatch, his organisation is yet another one disseminating Hasbara, and judging by her recent blogs the "independent" Heather Robinson is a cheerleader for AIPAC and Israel. She seems to be doing her duty here and continuing Israel's campaign to defund and deligitimise NGOs which benefit Palestinians. If you were to take her concerns at face value, she would appear to have a very strange set of values. She is worried about what Palestinian children may be reading, but I can't find any examples of her worrying about 400 of these children being murdered.
[ad hominem attack on a Huffington Post blogger]Israeli Commander: 'We Rewrote The Rules Of War For Gaza'
Mommamia, I am afraid I am unable to wade through your diatribes as they hurt my eyes and your overweening hatred is rather scary, but I doubt if you were responding to my point, which was that if the Gazans are not treated any better when there is "peace", what possible hope can they have for the future? [Gazans are apparently empty vessels that stuff just happens to](Though I suspect you don't see them as human and couldn't care less.)
Israeli Commander: 'We Rewrote The Rules Of War For Gaza'
Yes, Israel's big problem was not being able to shut out every camera or kill every journalist during Cast Lead (though they did kill several individuals and bomb the press centre). JuicyJu, I don't know if you are in America - if you are, you probably don't realise that channels like Al Jazeera had cameras on the ground and most of the world saw the whole thing happening live on TV. It was absolutely horrifying to see so many children and adults being killed and suffering terrible injuries, to know they couldn't escape or defend themselves, and to feel so helpless to stop it. That's why so many people were out protesting, it was at attempt to stop the slaughter. I think if they had had live cameras on the ground during previous massacres, the situation would be very different today. It certainly opened my eyes and changed my world view forever.
[Londoncall has drank the Palestinian kool-aid. His willingness to see the world and the Palestinians as they are, warts and all, has vanished]
Israel Disciplines Top Officers Over UN Compound Attack
Ah so you are saying the "legalities" need to be changed because Israel is incapable of working out for itself that there is something wrong with dropping bombs that burn innocent children to a crisp.
Barak: Peace With Palestinians Or Apartheid
You are a supporter of terrorism, remember?
Barak: Peace With Palestinians Or Apartheid
Why on earth would they put down their weapons when this would leave the people even more defenceless in the face of Israel's brutal attacks? Palestinians are under constant threat, and yet you somehow believe they should be the only ones on the planet without the right to defend themselves.
[There's that interesting definition of terrorism again...]
Israel Disciplines Top Officers Over UN Compound Attack
Don't be ridiculous. If you drop white phosphorous into a UN compound where hundreds of refugees are sheltering, [something that never happened] it's no excuse to state that you had no intent to harm them. The action itself makes you culpable. This is a hideous weapon that inflicted horrible agonising injuries - and worse - on innocent people, and you sit there saying there is no proof they did anything "incorrect". Unbelievable.
Israel Disciplines Top Officers Over UN Compound Attack
You decry what you define as terrorism when it emanates from the people you do not support, but enthusiastically support the terrorism of Jewish groups such as Irgun. This is the sort of hypocrisy and double standards which help perpetuate this continuing toxic injustice.
The Case Against the Goldstone Report
Dear oh dear, you have swallowed the Hasbara Handbook whole. You forget, despite Israel's efforts (banning most journalists, bombing the press centre etc) the whole thing was shown live on TV. We saw what Israel did.
Obama Asked Why US Doesn't Condemn Israeli Human Rights Abuses (VIDEO)
Yes exactly, the idea of a Western nation behaving the way Israel does to the Palestinians would be unthinkable.
Obama Asked Why US Doesn't Condemn Israeli Human Rights Abuses (VIDEO)
They [the Jews] didn't form a homeland, they took over other someone else's homeland and threw out the people already living there.
Obama Asked Why US Doesn't Condemn Israeli Human Rights Abuses (VIDEO)
You have been reading too much propaganda. It is not a delicate balancing act - the power is all on one side, thanks to American financial support, and it is misusing that power to subjugate and oppress, to steal land, bulldoze homes, withhold the basic necessities of life, and attack using most horrific bombs and weapons. Do you know how many adults and children were massacred in Cast Lead? [If you think you're going to lose the argument, remind everyone about the civilian casualties of Cast Lead. Palsbara 102]
For Bigots, Israel Can Do No Right
Does it occur to you that much of the world sees Israel's leadership as liars, fanatics and terrorists?
For Bigots, Israel Can Do No Right
I believe they did stop firing missiles at Israel thoughout 2008, [I believe you are absolutely wrong] and I keep reading how Cast Lead clearly "worked" because it's been lovely and peaceful ever since. And the people in Gaza have benefited how exactl
For Bigots, Israel Can Do No Right
Yup, they're [Israeli workers in Haiti] not interested once there are no cameras around. I wonder what happened to the patients in the marvellous field hospital?
For Bigots, Israel Can Do No Right
Wiso, I think we posted at exactly the same time! This seems to be a new line of hasbara, that Israel is somehow at war with Gaza (which of course isn't a country) but I haven't heard anything about this war being declared, have you?
[Gosh, have you listened to any statements that Hamas has made recently? Probably not, it'll interfere with the "innocent Palestinians" worldview]
Israeli Report Says Anti-Semitism Peaked In 2009
Which hospitals in particular are you referring to? Where is the proof? Please names the hospitals and provide evidence of your claim. This is the excuse Israel has used on many, many occasions to bomb civilian institutions, which is of course forbidden under international law. [Our boy here forgets that the moment a structure is used for military purposes, it ceases to become a civilian structure. Under international law, of course] There is no excuse. The hospitals during Cast Lead were packed with injured adults and children as well as medical staff - the idea of dropping a bomb on them is abhorrent to any civilised person.
For Bigots, Israel Can Do No Right
Exactly OH72, that is why they have problems with chickens and eggs. Somehow it passes them by that Israel constantly has much bigger bombs aimed at Gaza, where people are trapped and completely at the mercy of the whim of Israel's rulers, who have already proved they are completely ruthless. That is a nightmare scenario for any human being to live with. I saw an interview with a Palestinian doctor who said Israel's recent threats and warmongering leaflet drops have some people hysterical with fear that they will launch Cast Lead II, as they can do nothing to protect themselves. And if any of the hasbara mob responds to this with the usual "Serves them right, they brought it on themselves" shame on you.
Israeli Report Says Anti-Semitism Peaked In 2009
Sorry, but why would they be telling people in Starbucks they were Jewish? I can't imagine anyone in London giving two hoots.
[click for context. Very illuminating] Israeli Report Says Anti-Semitism Peaked In 2009
Like many Israel supporters, you are having a problem with chickens and eggs.
Aziz Dwaik, Senior Hamas Member, Reportedly Says Hamas Ready To Accept Israel's Right To Exist
A good old thrashing - oh the humanity. Are you really so disconnected from normal emotions and reactions? I'll ask this again - if things have been so lovely and peaceful for a year, why have the Gazan people not benefited in any way? If Israel genuinely wanted to achieve peaceful co-existence, logically this would seem an ideal opportunity to start building trust by easing the blockade, helping people rebuild homes and improving their lives a little. Otherwise, what hope can the people in Gaza possibly have?
[He choses not to see the fact that Israel sends tons of aid into Gaza every day, and conveniently forgets that Hamas has made no effort to pursue talks with Israel either]
In Haiti, Project Medishare and IsraAID Doing Best Work On the Ground
This information was included in a link supplied in another thread: Updates from Israel's delegation in Haiti have been sent regularly to hundreds of Israeli and foreign journalists via email, video, blogs and social networking sites. There was also an anecdote about medical equipment being moved to make space for an extra TV crew. Has anyone heard of any another country which sent PR teams and TV crews to Haiti?
[Apparently, Israel sending news teams to Haiti means Israel's EVIL]
The Imperative of Strong Turkish-Israel Relations
Is all else fails, attack the messenger. I think there are plenty of people here spouting propaganda with a specific agenda.
Useful Idiots
I tried to post this before, but for some reason it was moderated. I was pointing out that everyone who was slaughtered in Gaza was in fact innocent, as no one had been arrested, tried or convicted of any crime whatsoever.
[ironic, seeing as what thread it was posted in]
Useful Idiots
Actually, they were all innocents as none the 1400 people massacred had been arrested, tried or convicted of any crime whatsoever.
[This post and the one before it is a paragon example of the naivety of the posters on the HP, who have absolutely no clue about the reality of war]
Israel Accused Of Silencing Political Protesters
Don't expect an answer on this one - you will get endless defences of the legality or otherwise of using these horrible weapons, but I think they have managed to dehumanise the Palestinians to such a degree that the morality of it passes them by. [Israel supporters are apparently all racists] I think that is why there is such a disconnect between the vehement supporters of Israel you see here and outside observers, who were absolutely horrified that a country which presents itself at a Western style democracy could do this to defenceless people living jin poverty ust a few miles away from their modern city centres.
Israel's Looming War in Gaza: Can Obama Stop It Before It Starts?
An honest reporting website, ha ha. Here's its mission statement: Israel is in the midst of a battle for public opinion – waged primarily via the media. As an organization dedicated to defending Israel against prejudice in the Media, we aim to provide educational tools and resources to anyone wishing to advocate for Israel. Just how many of these hasbara sites are there? Has anyone ever counted them? And why do you think Israel feels the need to create this avalanche of propaganda?
Does Obama Understand the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict?
Tony, there is little point trying to engage Megaphone warriors like WBMD, who are being fed their talking points by GIYUS. I first came here during Cast Lead and asked the Hasbara brigade then (different names but same propaganda) if they thought they were helping their cause or harming it, but they are oblivious, as it seems is much of Israel, of its negative effect on the rest of the world. You will notice WBMD did not answer any of my questions, just launched an attack on me. Again, how many people in Gaza have been killed or injured by Israel this week? [unsure, but if I had to guess I would say five or six Hamas soldiers] If people don't know, why not? And are people on HP aware that this increased activity is being openly referred to as preparing the ground for Cast Lead 2, which like Cast Lead 1 is being planned well in advance? At least WBMD did not deny Israel is being forced to compensate the UN, thus accepting it did bomb its building, despite knowing it was sheltering many refugees including children.
Israel Drops Gaza Probe, Calls Claims Hearsay
In Irish forums, this reaction is known as whataboutery. Never mind the heinous acts our side committed, what about what They did, even if what They did has nothing to do with the issue. It's the oldest propaganda trick in the book., but unfortunately your propaganda fails because of the small problem of modern communications - we know the horrors we saw with our own eyes. I notice the hasbara mob are out in full cry on this thread - as I saw someone else say, you can always guage how guilty Israel is and how concerned it is about the PR situation by the number of megaphone minions sent out and the loudness and persistence of their presence.
John Kerry Visits Gaza
On the contrary, the use of force is subject to international laws and conventions - unfortunately the rogue state you clearly support ignores all laws, uses illegal weapons and commits war crimes. Do you hasbara people have no heart? Open your eyes and look at the horrible violence you are condoning - imagine what would happen if 400 American or Israeli children were murdered. Shame on you.
Investigating War Crimes on our Fact Finding Mission to Gaza
Has there been a glitch in the GIYUS software? The rest of your Hasbara chums seem to have left you on duty alone. Have you any comments at all on the appalling treatment of the Sammouni family? I saw the the little girl on the BBC's Panorama programme and she said "If I am not crying in my eyes I am crying in my heart." Once people learn the truth, it can't be unlearned. Shame on you Israel. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-ministry-media
Avigdor Lieberman, Kingmaker Of Israel's Right, Courted By Rivals
Standard hasbara tactics - lie, deny, deflect, derail. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-ministry-media It's interesting how they come along in waves, ( you would almost think they are working shifts) - different names, but same scripted responses, over and over.
