Sunday, February 21, 2010

HPW: Bradley Burston's "Pro-MidEast"

A few days ago, Bradley Burston wrote an article about getting past pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian to just be pro-peace or pro-Mideast. That's a lot of pros, but unfortunately a number of comments were notably "antis." Compared to a usual HP thread, it was not too bad, but I thought it was worth writing up:

Rachel Brownlee
The 'gift' of Gaza?
How generous!
And the rockets are acutally falling on former Palestinian villages that Israelis have now settled illegally.
If you broke in and started squatting in my house I'd coming banging on the door as well!
[Defending terrorism]

muck-raker
the only thing Israel understands is.....MONEY.....OK..so we all know that it has already been decided with resolution 242(give all lands back to 1967 boundaries) I say lets us draft this up in terms all can understand. Then give the two agitators 30 days to come to grips with reality. then starting on the 31st day and each additional day this land matter is not satisfied Israel loses $500,000 dollars a day. and if you read my earlier posts Israel gets on the average year 13 billion dollars US. Every Year,,,,They also get other perks which I might just as well mention that as well. two years ago Israel order 7 Jet planes from Boeing...the day after they were delivered Boeing stated that no payment was required, they were then a GIFT...I can hear the stockholders now
MarcusT
The Israeli PR machine has failed and neither the Palestinians not anybody else believes the disingenuous 'peace' offers anymore. Time and information, along with the passing of the US economic leadership, solves this problem with the obvious solution.

MarcusT
The solution, the only solution, is an international economic embargo. Just as the racist in South Africa could never imagine that day would come, so too do the Israeli extremists. But that day is coming and it will result is one messy but peaceful state.

skialethia
I don't need to be schooled in your kind of propaganda, thanks.

Rachel Brownlee
Because we've had their [Israeli/Jewish] point of view shoved down our throats for 60 years.
Turns out -most of it was lies.
There is really only one point you need to know - it was called
Plan Dalet - why not google it!

Enliberate
This is what I find chilling. You're speaking for the world?????? With an implied threat?
This is analogous to how you have taken sole possession of the term 'anti-Semitic'.

Rachel Brownlee
Is this the same helpless minority that inspired and ran the Bolshevik revolution that killed over 20 million innocent Russians? [Worth posting twice.]

muck-raker
here is a response from fireslayer which is worth repeating.
"What accounts for the effective collapse of U.S. efforts to bring about a two-state Israeli-Palestinian conflict? The most obvious explanation is that Obama is giving priority to his ambitious domestic agenda and rightly fears that real pressure on Israel would backfire in Congress, where it is likely that some key members would, in effect, hold their support for Obama's domestic programs hostage to his Israeli policies."
That a foreign country has control of my Congress and renders my President impotent on Middle East Peace is nothing short of treason.
Rachel Brownlee
Because Japan and Latvia don't set Americas foreign policy.

Rachel Brownlee
How many government officials hold dual Japanese/American or Latvian/American citizenship?

Rachel Brownlee
No, it [the term "anti-Semitism"] has more to do with fairytales - as the movie Defamation amply demonstrates!

Rachel Brownlee
Their is something creepy in the American character - it's called Christian Zionism!

MarcusT
OMG! You're historically crippled.

MarcusT
The thing about ignorant people is that they are too ignorant to know that they are, in fact...

Rachel Brownlee
He'd [Bradley Burston] be assassinated by relisious fanatics - and I don't mean Islamic ones
MarcusT
C'mon you guys. Not everyone is locked up in their trailer park like you two. :))

SiberianRat
"...just how demoralized many in Israel have become with their government." I certainly saw evidence of that, but I saw little evidence of a true movement for change. It seems much of Israel is content to recycle the same group over and over and keep up the militarism, regardless of blowback. If it only affected them, then I'd say they get what they deserve, just as in any democracy; however, the whole world is affected by this mess, and I find myself VERY frustrated with the fact that everyone cowers to Jerusalem.
[When asked to clarify what he meant by that]
SiberianRat
I tried to reply but it was rejected (dunno why). Attempt 2, more concise: In the end, the government in Jerusalem successfully manipulates its own populace as well as many other countries, above all the US. [This comes a little too close to "conspiracy"]

SiberianRat
Not amazing in the way you think. Except for Tel Aviv, I found everything I saw and experienced in Israel quite appalling. The Al Aqsa mosque is extraordinary though--simply beautiful. I spent 8 days in Egypt during that trip--now THAT was a good time!

Enliberate
Thanks. It makes no sense to me how one group can dominate such a term [anti-semitism]. Usually an attempt to dominate indicates some kind of inner insecurity. [Uh huh]

MarcusT
Easy, we must be tolerant of the emotionally challenged. Besides, he's funny.

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