Monday, November 23, 2009

HuffPoWatch: Holocaust Denial on the HP

I was doing my morning perusal of the Huffington Post this morning and I clicked on this thread, which is about a fashion shoot which took place at a Holocaust memorial and how that caused some controversy. I personally didn't care too much one way or another, but any thread about the Holocaust is sure to bring people out of the woodwork who say things like "Remember, it wasn't just Jews killed in the Holocaust", "why are there only memorials for the Jews killed in the Holocaust", etc. Bad enough, but I never expected to see posts like these two:

againstzionistracism
Elie Wiesel vs Encyclopaedia Britannica
Wiesel has been one of the most prominent spokesman for the very sizeable group of people known as Holocaust survivors. [According to Norman Finkelstein of the City University of New York in his book The Holocaust Industry published in the year 2000, ‘The Israeli Prime Minister’s office recently put the number of "living Holocaust survivors" at nearly a million’ (p.83)]. Wiesel has chaired the US Holocaust Memorial Council and has been the recipient of a Congressional Gold Medal and Nobel Peace Prize...
Time Magazine, March 18 1985:
‘How had he survived two of the most notorious killing fields [Auschwitz and Buchenwald] of the century? "I will never know" he says. "I was always weak. I never ate. The slightest wind would turn me over. In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 to their deaths every day. I was always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?"
Compare this with Encyclopaedia Britannica (1993), under ‘Buchenwald’:
"In World War II it held about 20,000 prisoners.. Although there were no gas chambers, hundreds perished monthly through disease, malnutrition, exhaustion, beatings and executions."
Posted 02:59 AM on 11/23/2009

againstzionistracism
It's now official - there's been no actual shortage of Holocaust survivors:
'The Israeli Prime Minister's office recently put the number of "living Holocaust survivors" at nearly a million' (extract from The Holocaust Industry by Norman G. Finkelstein of the City University of New York, published by Verso, London and New York, 2000, p.83).

Statement by Richard Lynn, Professor Emeritus
University of Ulster, December 5, 2005:
"I've checked out the six volumes of Churchill's Second World War and the statement is quite correct - not a single mention of Nazi 'gas chambers,' a 'genocide' of the Jews, or of 'six million' Jewish victims of the war.
Eisenhower's Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; Churchill's Second World War totals 4,448 pages; and De Gaulle's three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages.
In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi 'gas chambers,' a 'genocide' of the Jews, or of 'six million' Jewish victims of the war."
Posted 02:53 AM on 11/23/2009


I immediately posted a response to each post and saved the posts for this blog post. When I checked back about fifteen minutes later, however, both posts were gone. So good job to the mods, I didn't even have to flag them as abusive! Although, note the time stamp on these posts. They were posted at about 3 in the morning, and only when I responded to them at 9:00 am were they removed. So they were up all night for anyone to read. On the other hand, we can hardly expect the HP moderators to be up at 4 in the morning checking to make sure no Jews are offended by anything posted. These posts are still a very interesting indicator of some of the minds who frequent the Huffington Post.


First of all, you may not understand why these posts are Holocaust denial. It's OK, we're all here to learn. According to Wikipedia's definition of Holocaust denial, "Holocaust denial begins with the premise that the Holocaust as it is understood by mainstream history did not occur". So when the poster suggests that not quite as many Jews were killed in the Holocaust as we all think, or that Buchenwald did not kill quite as many Jews as recorded, that is still a form of Holocaust denial, even though he does not come right out and say it. His post about Churchill's, De Gaulle's, and Eisenhower's writings, though, does come right out and say it.

I should also point out he cites Norman Finkelstein's book The Holocaust Industry, which I have not read. But if it's cited by a Holocaust denier in order to make the case the Holocaust didn't happen, I would be seriously concerned if I were the Fink. He probably isn't, though.

It's incredible to believe the Holocaust, one of the most well-documented events recorded in modern history, is still be denied by people today, but these posts remind us those people are out there and want to spread their message. We must never forget, no matter what lies these people weave.

1 comment:

  1. HuffPo more often than not is a gatekeeper against anyone expressing views that take issue with Zionism. Alan Dershowitz will express how torture is justified and the slaughter of Palestinians is warranted, and the comments are closed shortly after should too many people offer counter-arguments. His posts against Dr. Norman Finkelstein have the comments closed before even getting past twenty replies.

    I am concerned about the legally sanctioned "thought crimes" regarding so-called Holocaust denial and revisionism (I say so-called because, much like the label "anti-Semitic", people are often unfairly tagged with this designation). This status is not afforded to any other area of historical research as far as I know. You can be wrong about any number of views (flat earth, astrology, crystal healing, UFOs) and not be prosecuted for it, but to openly express views outside of the official narrative of the Holocaust puts one at risk of prosecution.

    This sort of gatekeeping occurs at many more sites that regularly weed out open discussion on Israel and Zionism. Far too many liberal sites are PEPs (Progressive Except for Palestine) and consistently ban posters who challenge Israeli assertions.

    I see many of the complaints against otherwise liberal sites as pretty much nothing more than "working the refs" (i.e. complain about their supposed anti-Semitic, anti-Israel bias when they are in fact quite active in squelching open discussion). Also, sites supportive of Zionist abuses too frequently do not allow rebuttals such as this one to ever see the light of day.

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